Wednesday, November 21, 2007

Debate #2 with Internet Disinformation Agent Bretboudi

Dear Bretboudi, should I encapsulate the history of the Middle East
in every post??? Can I leave out details without consequence to my
arguement?
You are right here. The Arab/Jewish conflict only goes back to 1920
(Did I not say that??)
Under Arab and Turkish regimes Jews and Christians were under the
foot of rulers. They were forced to pay heavy taxes that exempt
Muslims. Jews were oppressed. Did I say they were a minority in all
Arab countries?
There was no Jew Hatred until the Brits said JEWS can settle in
BRITISH PALESTINE. Muslims Arabs have a large exenophobic contingent.
They actually believe that all "Umma" lands are inherently Muslims.
That those Muslim Arab states are inherently intolerant of large
Muslim populations. Check history and see how Christians have been
massacred and persecuted in Egypt& Lebanon. Saudia Arabia is
completely aparthied with Non Muslim roads and prohibitions on entry
of non-Muslims. Muslim Arabs are insecure about the ability of Islam
to "infection" by other beliefs whether its Christianity, Judaism or
secullar Western lifestyle. They prtect their religion because they
do not have faith in its ability to survive such encounters.
Here we see the assertion that Israelis (called Jews for some reason
by Bretboudi) are apartheid with separate roads, etc.
Well, when a people have dedicated themselves and supported the
destruction of Israel since 1948 as verified by polls, YOU WANT TO
STAY AWAY FROM THEM.
Since Fatahland or Hamas Gaza has not accepted peace any settlements
are not illegal. In order to have illegal, you need LEGAL first!!!!!
As for the blather about rapes, its BS. Now I cannot say Israelis do
not hate Palestinian Arabs. After all the massacres and sucide
bombings can you see Israeklis liking them in any way???
Who installed Jews in Israel. Persecution did. The Turks did. The
U.k. did. And the defeat of 5 Arab Armies in an attempted replay of
the bloodlust Holocaust did. You see Palestine was to be a bi-
national state. Like Lebanon. But the Arabs would not stand for
ANOTHER large non-Muslim poulation in the Middle East (who's racist
now?) and sent 5 Arab Armies at the behest of the Arabs led by the
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Those armies lost much of Palestine. Those
armies requested Arabs stay away from the battle fronts. Most did.
So weren't those Arabs surprised when the Jews won?!! Suddenly there
was a lotta land abandoned by alotta Arabs. So indirectly the Grand
Mufti created Israel.
The Palestinan Arabs are heavily responsible for their OWN dilemma!
Israel can never make peace with Hamas run Gaza as they have
dedecated themselves to destroying Israel. Bretboudi??
Israel has ALWAYS wanted peace. Arabs want a Muslim piece of PLANET
EARTH. Their program is in fantasy.

Whats really interesting Bretboudi, is that you disputed very liitle
of As the Swaztika turns? WHY???????

This was in response to a Bretboudi post in another Yahoo Group:

What about before 1920? Krep? and going back a 1000 yrs? there was
no zionist / arab struggle, you fail to mention that!..there was no
jew hatred! this all started with the creation of a nation for
eastern european jewish refugees in the middle east!...arab and
semetic jews did not call for a state. with the help of
england,france and the league of nations created the mess, what we
call the israeli/palestinian conflict!..

to state that the west bank has no jewish bypass roads,Illegal
settlements for foreign jews, killings, rapes, beatings from
israelis...is like saying us americans dont beat and treat blk
people equally!..please israelis are racist not all of them, but
they are....like everywhere in the world..

you only paint a picture perfect for israel and blaming 1 billion
arabs for the fault!... no one ask england ,france and the usa to
install or endorse european jews to be installed in a land that did
not belong to them in the first place!....but vacated existing
inhabitants for a state called israel in the land of palestine
where people lived for centuries! that will create violence no
matter where you put people in the world regardless of
race ,creed ,religion or color!...there are many other
examples ....it never works!..

If Israel wants to exists, it needs to make peace with all arab
states by liberating the palestitians and give them a ligit state or
else it will always be in a vicious circle of blood and
violence!..until it vanishes

(from Discuss Mideast Truth yahoo Group)

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