Debate #1 with Internet Disinformation Agent Barbara Lebret

As as American? Barbara doesn't speak as a mainstream American. She
speaks from the fringe. The hate fringe. Where Nazis dwell. Places
like Stormfront.
Does the American media focus much on Israel? There are articles here
and there; certainly there are more about Europe especially our
dissaffected parent the United Kingdom. Barbara insists that Israel
is a country of whiners. Who generalizes like that? Have you ever
heard of city of whiners, or island of malcontents? Of course not;
those who judge thousands with the characteristics of 1 person are
called bigotsd. They employ something called prejudice. They place a
personality traits normal people reserve for evaluating one person at
a time. Bigots blame huge groups of millions no tools rationality or
reason. Its their way to spread hate.
They love ignorance of history. In the absence of this knowledge by
ordinary folks they insert lies and distortions.
Like "Why should Palestinians suffer
because your ancestors chose to leave? BTW, Hadrian also named the
region Palestine and you founding a country in Palestine does not
make Palestine go away. "
Thats "twisted history"!!! I could go on but 1.Jews lives with Arabs
for 40 years under Turkish rule, peacefully. 2. There was never any
independent country called Palestine. 3. Arab hatred created Israel
as the defeat of 5 Attacking Arab Armies enabled the Jews to create
Israel. No attack, no Israel. 4. The Palestinian Arabs have supported
attacks on Israel pretty much EVER SINCE.
Can out Nazi poster ever debate that? Nope!!!
What the ancestry of the Palestinians Arabs has to do with any claim
to the 13 mile wide country is beyond me??!!!! But here is a little
indication.....WHO VALUES RACE HERITAGE???? Nazis, the Klan, White
Supremacists and the like. Since she applies bloodline politics to
herself, Barbara applies it to othe political situations. You do not
need a blood test, a DNA screening or genetics verification to live
anywhere on PLANET EARTH. There is no BLOOD LAND connection of any
people. (Especially White Supremacist types)
So lets go "there" anyway. Christian Arabs (a dwindling persecuted
minority) have always claimed that THEY are descendents of the pre-
Arabic population of Roman province of Palaestrina. This incluede
Jews who survived and Greeks and descendents of of Canaanite peoples
and pre-Romam immigrants like the Hittites. The Christian Arabs state
plainly that the Muslim Arabs came as Arabic tribes bolstered by
overpopulation and prosperity ( as not being overtaxed like the Jews
and Christians ) spilled out of Arabia and into Syria, and ex-Judea.
on their way to overrruning North Africa.
Barbara says "cultural roots" when she MEANS racial stock!!!!!

In a deliberate attempt to confuse Americans especially Christians
she attempts to label Israelis as atheists. Israelis are a mix of
religious and secular. Very few athiests.
As a Holocaust Denier, (Barbara has said so in past posts) she
dismisses the enormity of the Holocaust. What she doesn't mention is
that the Holocaust is Jewish and Gentile. 5 million Gentile Europeans
died as well!!
Barbara says "But the one thing
everyone can agree on is the Palestinians did not send an army
against you (Israel). " The leader of the Palestinian Arabs (then
called just ARABS) the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem asked for military
aid from the Arab League. That came in the form of 5 Arab Armies.
Israel is really the only reliable country in the Middle East. Its
destruction is being funded by oil money from rich Arab oil states.
The countermeasure is to support Israel. White Supremacists in their
twisted mindsets would LOVE to see Israel overrun by Arabs (asa long
as Arabs stay the hell away from them)

In a great example of turnspeak Barabara mentions schoolbooks with
hate propaganda in Israel. No such thing has EVER been documented,

Yes Barbara its obvoius its"It can only be antisemitism, the
mindless,
causeless, baseless hatred of Jews because they are Jews"


IN RESPONSE TO:

To The whiners...........

(this is Nazi diet staple expect it to make the rounds of forums by
Neo Nazi sympathizers.)

As an American I have opinions on Israel which are more extensive
than of any other foreign country in the world. That is true because
the US entertainment and news media give it more coverage than any
other foreign country in the world. As a matter of fact, if I did not
know it was a foreign country I might think it one of the states in
our union.

In that paragraph I used the word foreign three times. And that is
three more times than I have ever heard the US media use the word in
connection with Israel. The common expression when such a reference
might appear unavoidable is to say something like "foreign countries
and Israel." This avoidance extends to all aspects of public life.
Israel gets special treatment in this country. I have to do nothing
to single it out for special interest.

One of my opinions of Israel is that it is a foreign country, a very
foreign country. It is a country of the most inveterate whiners in
the world. I did not develop that opinion solely from US sources. For
years I have read Ha'aretz six days a week. I have come by my opinion
quite honestly. I have also been able to set aside my knowledge and
opinion of the attack on the USS Liberty.

Israel is still a pack of whiners. History tells us those you claim
as your ancestors were truly stupid people. They picked a fight they
could never win. They revolted against Rome and for their pains were
kicked out of Jerusalem when Emperor Hadrian rebuilt it as a Roman
city. But Israelis say they were forced to leave the entire country
and have longed to return for two thousand years. Instead of spending
your time whining, learn some history. Why should Palestinians suffer
because your ancestors chose to leave? BTW, Hadrian also named the
region Palestine and you founding a country in Palestine does not
make Palestine go away.

If you set aside your whining long enough to study history you will
also learn the Palestinians you work so desperately to drive out or
kill off have the same ancestors as yourselves. Their ancestors
converted from Judaism to Islam either directly or via Christianity.
They may have adopted Arabic culture and language but that does not
change their ancestry. Israelis have adopted european culture and
languages without their ancestry being changed. But after two
thousand years in Europe you folks are entirely European and will
never be middle eastern. You will never be Israelis in other than
name. You have no cultural roots in the regions.

You jewish Israelis are mostly Europeans. You are cultural foreigners
in the Palestine where you founded your Israel. And being familiar
with The Iron Wall, I know as well as you know, you did not go to
Palestine in peace. We both know you went to Palestine with violence
and malice and theft and even murder in your minds and hearts. So
please do not whine about the treatment you received then and
continue to receive now. You have gotten off very lightly so far. You
have good reason to fear and should make a deal as soon as possible.

And speaking of the minority of jewish Israelis, Ha'aretz does not
bother much with the pretension of observant and non-observant. In
their articles it is quite clear they are talking about believers and
atheists. You have a majority of atheists saying they are Jews for
political and social reasons. An atheist can no more be a Jew than he
can be a Christian.

And then there was your cherished holocaust. Move on. Get over it.
The constant whining became very annoying after the first couple
decades. I know no one in the whole world has ever had it as bad as
you. Enough whining already!

Whatever you do, stop using it as an excuse to dispossess and murder
even more Palestinians. I am familiar with your 1948 war. I know
there are at least two sides to every story. But the one thing
everyone can agree on is the Palestinians did not send an army
against you. Of all the nations in that part of the world, the
Palestinians are the only ones completely innocent in that war.

If you do not like it being called what it is, theft and murder, stop
doing it. Those Ay-rabs attacked so lets steal from the Palestinians
doesn't cut water. And some god in some book you wrote saying he gave
it to you doesn't cut it either. You left that land. Leave that god
out of this. It makes you sound like redneck hillbillies at a revival
meeting. And as you are mostly atheists you make rednecks look good
in comparison.

And while I am on that subject you have a country. Stop mooching off
of my country to support it. You may believe you were promised a land
but no one promised you a life of luxury. By the lowest estimate my
country provides 20% of your government budget. Grow up and pay your
own way in the world. No one likes a Schnorer.

And every time you screw up your economy you come whining to my
country to bail you out of trouble again. My country is good enough
to keep the world from slapping a total trade embargo on yours. Isn't
that enough? Must you always whine for more? Is it possible to do
enough for your country?

And is flooding this country with spies for military and industrial
secrets any way to show gratitude? Or is gratitude something only
Christians feel? And while I on religion, you get a free ride off of
our redneck preachers but the fact is Judaism is one hell of a lot
closer to Islam than Christianity. Even your own people in your own
studies find your school textbooks filled with industrial strength
hatred of non-Jews.

And if someone does not see it your way it is not your fault for
failing to make your case. It can only be antisemitism, the mindless,
causeless, baseless hatred of Jews because they are Jews not because
of the eternal whining. It isn't as though you don't put on a good
show. You have a great script and you recite your lines with passion
and sincerity. The problem is the story does not survive the first
few hundred repetitions. It is like your holocaust thing. If someone
does not show all the faux reverence your politicians posture one day
a year, trust me, it does not mean they are antisemitic. It means
they have heard many times before and are not as good at acting as
you.

The Palestinians did nothing to you to start your problems. You did
it to yourselves. You chose to go to Palestine and start all your own
troubles. Anyone mature enough to decide to go live there was mature
enough to know they would live in constant danger. The Palestinians
are doing exactly what you would do in their circumstances. They know
it and you know it. Stop whining about it.

As I say, you have a good script. You say you were expelled two
thousand years ago. You say Palestinians are invaders from Arabia.
You say you went to Palestine peacefully and in humility. You have a
laundry list of poor harmless innocence and there is not a word of
truth in the lot of it. And you know there is no truth in it. And
people who say there is no truth in it are not antisemitic. The truth
cannot be antisemitic. Refusing to accept your ahistoric, juvenile,
simplistic stories is neither anti-Israel nor antisemitic.

You are very annoying whiners. You whine about your holocaust because
it is the best use you can think of for dead relatives. You whine
about having enemies that you chose to make your enemies. You whine
about people who know enough history to know you are telling stories.
You whine about people who refuse to take your side.

No one owes you anything. You have that country you wanted. Stand on
your own two feet for the first time in you history. Stop begging for
handouts from my country. You are not worth it. Only you think you
are. When you were called a "shitty, little country" it was the
little that bothered you not the shitty.

The entire premise of your whining is you believe you deserve better.
This is a just world. You have what you deserve because it is what
you chose. Choices have consequences. Adults know that. Whiny little
children do not.

(from Mideast Truth yahoo Group)